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--in 1958, so it was before that. Actually, strangely enough, when we finally did decide to look for a new building in New York, Zeckendorf called me in great excitement and said--he was always excited, by the way--“I've got just the right place for you, just the right place for you. You got to come see it!” With Zeckendorf, you always had to come see it right away. So he said, “It doesn't look very good--bunch of warehouses on the end of 49th Street and the East River.” I said, “Okay, I'll come over.” And I looked at it and I said, “Gee, terrific! Let's take an option.” Well, we looked at it, and then the experts said, “You can't get people from Pennsylvania Station to that place, there's no transportation! Even from Grand Central it's very difficult.” And then the crowning blow was, “You won't be able to employ any women.” I said, “Why?” “Women like to shop at lunch. They don't eat”--which turns out to be somewhat true, and you got to be close to Fifth Avenue and Madison Avenue. So we didn't buy this. Ten years went by, Zeckendorf calls me and says, “Andrew, I'm putting up the most luxurious, magnificent apartment house that you've ever seen.” I said, “Where?” He said, “Oh, you know the place I showed you?” I said, “Yes, what do you want me to do?” He said, “I think you should buy a penthouse here.” I said, “Bill, I couldn't ever afford to buy any penthouse that you built.” This was typical of Zeckendorf. In fact, there are no penthouses here; this is a duplex, it's not a penthouse. But I ended up in the location that I first looked at for the Time LIFE Building.

[laughter] That's good. Okay. Let's stop here. Oh, one more