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in underprivileged schools, all of that. Make them understand that they have a responsibility to the nation, not just to themselves.

Is he a religious man?

I think so. He's also influenced by his wife, who is the daughter of that famous couple--name escapes me--the one who wrote the great book about America, and she's a professor, and they both won Nobel prizes.

Couple did? Her parents?

Yes. Her parents.

Not Dos Passos?

No. They're Swedish.

Myrdal?

Yes, Myrdals. They're the Myrdals. And she's the daughter of the Myrdals. And she's a Professor of Ethics at Brandeis University.

So what do you mean when you say he's influenced by her?

I think--I would guess, I can't do more than guess, but I