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drive, so I finally and reluctantly agreed to do that, knowing why we never were able to get anybody: because corporations are not particularly anxious to get involved in a university capital drive. Because if they give to one, they suddenly discover that there are ten other top management people who went to other universities, and next thing they know, instead of giving away 500,000 dollars, they've given away 5 million. So they tend to have a policy against that. So it was difficult. It was corporations and foundations, I think we got 30 million dollars out of the 350. Most of the money comes from the alumni.

Do you remember anybody who was a big catch for you?

No. As a matter of fact, my big catch was not a corporate fellow, but was my good friend and predecessor Roy Larsen. And I said--I went to him one day and I said: “Roy, I'm giving 500,000 now, and more later. You're many more than ten times richer than I am, so I think you should give five million.” And Roy sat, said: “Okay.” [laughter].

[laughter] Did you almost fall off your chair?

Well, he'd already given a lot before. There's a--the School of Education has a building named after him which he gave.

Robert Stone--he's not Bunny Lasker's partner, is he?