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Well, you had secret and top secret, and I think the ultimate was a Q-clearance, but
I'm not even sure that's the right nomenclature. I know I had it at one time, and sometimes
you had an identification, other times you didn't have an identification. I guess most of my
clearances, my special clearances, came either from the White House or RAND, the White
House only because of that Eisenhower period. I don't think I ever had any other clearance
from the White House. The other was because I was chairman of RAND and the whole
building was full of all kinds of secret documents, so we had to have top secret clearance for
that stuff. In some ways, I used to think it was overdone, but maybe not. But, I also had,
over the years, developed a lot of respect for the guy who said, “I'm going to get this
information,” and got it without too much trouble because there are so many open sieves in
our security system. All you've got to do is be a little clever, and you can work your way
In the 1984 group, were you the only person from the world of media, or were there other
people there --?
I was the only infidel in the group, yes.
It seems like that happened a lot of times.
Yes, it did. Yes, I think I might have mentioned a meeting in the Kennedy years,
when there was a White House group put together for something (I've forgotten what it was
now), and there was a group of scientists. I was roped in, not for anything having to do with
media, but I was roped in presumably on the science side, for which I wasn't qualified at all.
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