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about fifteen-to-sixteen minutes, by my watch, in a direct statement and then took questions and gave very frank answers -- well-framed. And at the end of an hour she said “good-bye” and that was it. The group stood up and cheered for her as she left. I think everybody was favorably impressed.

We went from that twelve o'clock adjournment into lunch, and everybody was buzzing with talk about her talk. Almost to a man, the men that I spoke with said: “All well and good. But she'll never get that program through, because she's trying to remake the world in thirty days; and it can't be done.”

The other footnote to the appearance was any number of guys said to me: “You know, we voted for the wrong guy.” She was that effective.

And as long as I'm mentioning this, I'll tell you the second day -- that was on Friday. On Saturday at eleven o'clock, in the same room and the same pulpit, so to speak, the Attorney General [Janet Reno] appeared. It was one fantastic presentation. She talked for fifteen minutes on crime. Nothing about the health program. She talked on crime and the role of the Attorney General, and then took questions for forty-five minutes, and was equally as impressive as the First Lady. Two very terrific women, as far as I'm concerned. I would give the nod to the Attorney General, because I think she had a sense of her mission and had selected targets, whereas Mrs. Clinton, I think, still thinks she's going to remake the kingdom.

I don't know what per cent of the GNP the health care program is, but if it's fourteen per cent or seventeen per cent, it's an enormous problem. But she isn't going to solve it by