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building and I think you'd better get hold of Saarinen and make a settlement on what we owe him. We'll have to look at another site.”

I was so embarrassed by Paley's behavior that I didn't want to reveal to anybody in the company that Paley had been so small or so sensitive that whatever it was that Saarinen had said, that it had offended him. Because Hopper didn't pick on it. I couldn't--I never talked about it with anybody else. I just didn't know what set him off. But he didn't want it. He wasn't that hot about it anyway.

So that was--I recall it as a Friday, but maybe it was a Wednesday or a Thursday. Hopper called Saarinen and asked him to come in on Monday to “talk about the contract.” Unspecified. I came in on Monday lower than a snake's belly, because years had gone by and I thought we were on the way to doing a distinguished building; then we had this kind of a blowup.

But on that Monday morning one of the facilities men came in to see me. Said he wanted to see me. And he said: “Just wanted you to know that Mr. Paley and Mrs. Paley came in last night to the building. We had to open up that room where the model is, and they spent a lot of time in there. We just thought you ought to know about it.”

So I thought, “What's going on?”

About ten o'clock Paley came into my office, and he said: “Have you fired Saarinen yet?”

I said: “No, I think he's on his way in from Detroit.” Because his offices were in Detroit.