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“He's on his way in from Detroit to talk about the settlement with Hopper. Why?”

“Well,” he said, “have you got a minute?”

I said: “Sure.”

He said: “Let's go and look at the model.” So we went in and looked at the model. And he said: “Do you really think we need that extra land?”

I said: “Yes, I think if we're going to do it, we ought to do it right.”

He said: “Well, what about the interior. I don't want that guy to have anything to do with my office.”

I said: “Your office? I wouldn't think of having him do it.”

He said: “No, but I don't want him doing anything in the building. The outside's all right. You can worry about that.”

So I said: “Okay. Who would you do on the interior?”

He said: “Well, I'd get Shaw.”

Now Shaw was a socialite architect that Paley knew out on Long Island. Carson, Lundeen and Shaw [?], I think was the name of the firm. They had done a couple in Rock