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So that's--if you have any questions, maybe I can answer them. But that's pretty much the story. But it's part of my life doubling back on me, you see.

Yes. It's so interesting. You had mentioned the Mormon connection earlier, but I didn't realize it requires you to visit Utah once a month. And this kind of brings it together. Could you tell me some of the other AEA projects you were involved with? I think there was one called Teletrend. Was that it? Or “Tele-something.”

Well, I'm on the board of Berol, which is a big pencil and writing instrument company, doing business in Central America and Europe and in the United States.

Is that Beryl spelled B-e-r-y-l?

No, it's B-e-r-o-l, and I'm sorry I don't have one of the pencils here. Yes! This is one of the pencils. This is a pencil for kids.

For the sake of you who can't see this, it's wildly colorful. [Laughs]

Yes. But what I wanted to show you, and I'm sorry I don't have it, is a pencil that's made out of--oh, here's another one of those wild ones--out of the trimmings from the manufacture of jeans. The barrel of the pencil is made out of--it's a synthetic material. See, wood for pencils is getting very expensive, and these pencils are--I think this is plastic. This one is wood, and this one is plastic again. [Clinking of pencils being sorted through]