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I don't have one of the ones made out of recycled jeans, but that's what it is. And that's Berol.

And they make all kinds of things in the field of writing instruments. Magic Markers, pencils and crayons. Well, they don't make crayons, because Crayon is a trade-mark name and it's owned by another country. But we have our own “crayons,” if you will, and Magic Markers and--I might have one of those in my bag here. No, I don't even have that. Sorry. If I had known, I would have brought my demonstration along with me. But Berol is, I guess, the biggest pencil company in the world.

I don't have one of the ones made out of recycled jeans, but that's what it is. And that's Berol. And they make all kinds of things in the field of writing instruments. Magic Markers, pencils and crayons. Well, they don't make crayons, because Crayon is a trade-mark name and it's owned by another country. But we have our own “crayons,” if you will, and Magic Markers and--I might have one of those in my bag here. No, I don't even have that. Sorry. If I had known, I would have brought my demonstration along with me. But Berol is, I guess, the biggest pencil company in the world.

What was the status of Berol before AEA came in?

It was owned by a family, as I recall.

So is that a pattern--that you go to companies that are smaller, family-owned, to purchase them?

Is it a problem?

Is it a pattern?

Pretty much so. Yes. We bought The Diet Center. That was owned by a husband and wife, and also up, I think, outside of Boise. That was a difficult place to go for board meetings. But The Diet Center was a national weight reduction program, started by--I've forgotten the woman's name. But we bought that from that couple, but then insisted that they buy back a proportion of the stock. I've forgotten what it was. I think it was around twenty percent.