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Charlayne Hunter-Gault, as part of the Women in Journalism project, so I've been over there quite a bit recently. It seems to me that that's a rather unusual show to be on television, and I wonder if you think there's an opportunity for more shows like that to come in the future.

I missed the name of the show.

“McNeil-Lehrer.” I was just interviewing Charlayne Hunter-Gault.

Interesting woman.

Very. Very interesting.

Has done some remarkable interviews on her own.

Yes. I think she's an example of a person whose interviewing I really respect.

Well, you know, I'm a great champion of “McNeil- Lehrer,” and, in fact, helped get sponsorship for it on public television.

Oh, really!

Well, I was on the board of Channel 13, and I had a hand in getting Charlie Rose in that spot on 13. Charlie's an old friend of mine, and I think perhaps his broadcasts benefit from television, because when you have personalities, you'd like to see what those people look like. Whereas the radio that I'm talking about is the more conventional newscaster