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on to go to other places and lend assistance.

The Haiti experience was just maddening. It's one of two or three places that I've always said I'd never want to go back to. It was just so poor and so ridden with filth and disease. Poverty was just awful. And they didn't want to be helped. That's an overstatement, but there was this small percentage that wanted to be helped; but the government wanted to get in and become involved. The government, basically, because they wanted to get their hands on the money. It wasn't U.S. money.

The head of the Canadian Red Cross--my counterpart in Canada and I were asked by the headquarters in Geneva to go down to help Haiti get straightened out. So I gave a week of my time to go down there and try to see if we could help them. The man from Canada did the same thing.

I did, I think, a similar chore in Argentina. It seems to me there was someplace else. I've forgotten, though, where it was.

Oh, I liked the international side, because it seemed to me that there were advantages in being part of an international organization, in the field of health and disaster and so forth. But if you were an Australian Red Cross--and they have a wonderful Red Cross organization- -it's off by itself.

The Japanese had a different attitude toward--now that's interesting, because when the father of the present emperor [Hirohito] and the empress [Princess Nagako Kuni] came to visit the United States back in the early seventies, they were here as official guests of the