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example--things that weren't disaster-driven--did you have enough of a budget to be able to-- [Crosstalk]

Oh, we did that. Sure. Certainly.

How did you raise the money for the ongoing?

We didn't get a nickel from the government, and if you had a husband or a brother or a son or a father in the military in France or in some other--or, let's say, on assignment in Germany--and you became ill, as the wife you could go to the Red Cross, and the Red Cross would get that man back quicker than the military could get him. We paid for that transportation. That's just one feature, but all kinds of things were done in the military side of the Red Cross.

In terms of saying you “ internationalized” it through serving on the board of the League and other things, what was the impact of that internationalization on the focus of the American Red Cross--or on the functions of the American Red Cross?

I'd say nil--because they didn't do anything for us--not quite accurate. I'm sure that when we had a disaster and they had somebody in the British Red Cross who had gone through that kind of thing, we could call on them to help us. But we underwrote that; they didn't pay for it. It was much more a “hands-across-the- sea” kind of organization.

I went to Haiti, for example, and helped get their Red Cross straightened out down there one time. I was called upon to do that because of my role in the International. And I was called