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Again, it's April 11, 1995, and I'm in Dr. Stanton's office. It's Mary Marshall Clark and
this interview is being conducted for the Columbia University Oral History Research Office.
We haven't really touched on your relationship with Harvard and how that began and what
you did there. Could you hold on just a minute? [Tape stops and starts] Okay, we're
There were two periods in my relations with Harvard. One goes way back to, I
would guess, in the early 1950s I was asked to serve on the visiting committee. I guess I also
believe that to have been a six-year appointment, but maybe it was less. Then I had no
relations with Harvard at all until I was in retirement and in 1977 or 1978, someplace along
in there, I received a call from a friend of mine, Andrew Heiskell, and Heiskell at that time
was on the Board of Overseers, and he called me and said he had just left the meeting and
they would like to have me stand for overseer. Some of this I think maybe you already have.
We've only touched on it very briefly, not really in any depth.
But when Heiskell said that to me I realized that he was referring to something
having to do with Harvard, and I said, “Andrew,” and I knew Andy very well, I said:
“Andrew, I never went to Harvard.” A long pause, and he said: “Serves them right,” and
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