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for example?

[Long pause] Until the campaign after Eisenhower she voted Democratic. She was registered in this precinct as a Democrat, and after that administration--not that she was disappointed with Eisenhower--she switched, changed parties and became a registered Republican. In Ohio, when we were first married, she voted Democratic, and I think she voted--She was a strong supporter of La Guardia, here in the city, but she split her ticket a lot. She was registered as a Democrat until, I believe, sometime in the '50s, when she switched over to the Republicans.

Did you have political disagreements?

Only about Wilkie. In the Wilkie campaign she was very much (and here she was, on the other side) a supporter of Wilkie. I wasn't that strong for Wilkie, and I remember the only real, not knock-down, drag-out fight, but the only real hard discussion we ever had politically was about the Wilkie-Roosevelt campaign of, I guess, his fourth term--if that's when Wilkie ran. Maybe it was Roosevelt's third term. But we usually composed our differences, and either I voted with her or she voted with me. She said to me on some occasions, “It doesn't do any good for you to vote one way and I vote the other. Let's make our votes count.”

She read much more politically-oriented books and periodicals than I did. That breakfast table out there was the place where we talked about everything that was going on in the world, every meal we had.