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And I went over to see the chairman of the department and said could I take a major in my senior year totally in the Psychology Department? And I would do nothing else but just eat and sleep and drink psychology. “Oh no,” he said, “You can't do that because you haven't had the beginning course.” So I said, “Well, how difficult is the beginning course?” And he didn't look with favor on my attitude, but did look at my record and saw that I had been an assistant to one of the most revered men on the campus, who was the head of the Zoology Department. And he was the patron saint, if there ever was one, of the faculty; he was a good teaching scientist, not a research scientist, but a very distinguished professor, great teacher. And the fact that I had been his assistant and had made remarkable -- I guess I'd had a 4.0 average in zoology and so forth -- He reckoned as to how maybe, with a little bit of diligence, I could pick up and get on with the course work. I did and spent the whole year in Psychology.

Who were you reading at that time?

What?

Who were you reading in Psychology? What kinds of things were you reading about?

Oh, I was into Gestalt, and I was into [William] James and [Edward B.] Tichener. I got infected by a man by the name of Weiss who never was -- who wasn't published very much but -- A.B. Weiss. W.e.i.s.s., I think, who introduced me to Behaviorism. Although I had tripped over that in some of my reading. And there was John B. Watson who had left psychology and gone into advertising. And that captured my attention because I was still flirting with going back to Philadelphia.