Session: 1234567891011121314151617         Page 4748495051525354555657585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100101 of 755

Sure.

Just wanted to say that for --

More favorable because they had superior physical plants, because they started before we did. They were in the business before we were. There is something to be said for being first on the street. So they had us both ways.

And I picked what I thought was the most difficult county that I could find in the material the FCC published. And I say published -- it was a mimeographed thirty or forty-page paper or report -- And one of the things I said to Kesten was, “Before I start out on this mission, I'd like to find out if I can see the original data.” Because I didn't trust the tabulator. And Kesten called the man in the Washington office, who called the FCC to see whether this crazy statistician could come down and look at the data. And the man who made the telephone call was Harry Butcher. And Butcher couldn't have cared less about this research junk. And apparently the person he talked to at the FCC didn't think much of the stuff either. He said, “Sure, we'll show you the original data.”

Excuse me, let me just turn this over.

(END OF SIDE ONE, TAPE TWO; BEGINNING OF SIDE TWO, TAPE TWO)

So it was arranged then that I could go to the FCC.