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So, that was my first meeting with Jim Farley. I later came to know him, and we talked about it at a later time.

I went back and finished my work, drove home on Sunday, worked almost all Sunday night to prepare a report showing how cockeyed the FCC findings were for this one little thing.

How far off were they? I mean --

Oh, they were -- They had just gone off down the wrong street. They weren't even close.

But also went on to say that with the hundred dollars I'd go to Lycoming County and do the personal interviewing to check what people really did as against what they said they did. And by this time it had piqued a curiosity of Kesten and maybe somebody else -- I don't know -- and he said, “Go ahead. If you've got to spend more than a hundred dollars, it's all right.”

So Ruth and I went over to Pennsylvania. She understood the work as well if not better than I. And so we went. The problem was how to sample that area and make it hold water vis a vis the engineering report. Now, engineers will not only draw circles, but they do what they call radial. They'll take a point central and run a line out and every so many miles or feet will make measurements. So I thought, Well, what the engineers do for their maps, I'll do for my maps. And I'll take their same points on the compass and go out and I'll interview a cluster of families around each one of those points and see what they say they did.