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When a writer wanted information on something that was timely, they could go to Bill Ackerman and get so much material that they couldn't get any place else. Now, that should have been in the Program Department, not in Research.

Sure.

But, because I had said we needed it and I had the idea, why, I was Lucky Pierre.

So you quickly gained an overview of the whole company. And, at this time, just for the sake of history, how many people were at CBS?

I don't recall.

You don't recall.

It was a small company.

And it was a small company loosely organized, so who would you report to other than Kesten? Or who did you meet with? Who were your colleagues?

Well, by that time I only reported to Kesten. Or at least nominally I reported to Kesten. But if the vice president in charge of programming wanted information, I broke my neck to get it for him, and Kesten didn't mind about that. Kesten was sort of proud of the fact that this was his baby. And he was the one who brought me into the company, and so I