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No, it wasn't up there yet.

It was not up -- still at --

Still at Union Square.

Union Square. Did you seriously think about it? Did you seriously think about leaving CBS at that point?

Well, if I did and if I had cast my lot with Paul, I would have had a divorce on my hands.

Oh, right.

So, I guess, I really didn't. I don't think I even talked about it with Ruth.

But you think you would have seriously considered it if that problem had not arisen?

Might well have because he was a stimulating guy. In the field of social research, there's no one who's ever had as many ideas as Paul had, and some of them he didn't -- Paul had the ideas and the concepts that he could conceptualize, he didn't give a damn whether