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apartment. I don't know whether Hadley's wife, whose name was Mavis, was infatuated or whether she really was just playing with Paul, or whether she was beginning to fall in love with him for real, I just don't know. But certainly Cantril soured on Paul. This is to the best of my knowledge -- no one's ever talked about it. But if you said why did they pull apart, I would think this had as much to do with it as anything. And indeed to this day, even though Paul is no longer here, my wife is not at all pleased with my continuing association with Paul; even to the point when I was given an honorary degree at Columbia, Paul took me up -- we went up together, I guess, in my car, and Ruth decided she didn't want to go. I think if she had had her way about it, I wouldn't have taken the degree. So that's how deep this chasm was.

Paul at this point I was seeing quite a lot of because he was doing commercial work as well as academic work. And he was even doing work for -- was doing some studies for NBC. I turned over a lot of raw data that I had to him so that he could reprocess it and so forth. And I took him to the Market Research Council, although there were other people there who knew him by this time. And we had a -- I enjoyed his company because he was a very stimulating guy and we would sit around and talk about what was wrong with the world. He was much more interested in problems having to do with society than he was in problems having to do with the narrow world that I was in. He kept urging me to leave CBS. At one time he wanted me to come with him in the Center. I thought that was not the right thing for me to do.

By this time it was the Center for Applied -- By this time it was the Center at Columbia, or --