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No, I wouldn't say so.

Eric Sevareid was a commentator, if you will, he had a special role on the evening news. And he was set apart, just as Jack [John W.] Chancellor is on the evening news. He does commentary and is recognized as a point of view.

When Murrow came back from the war he was appointed as Vice-President of Public Affairs? President --

News and Public Affairs.

News and Public Affairs.

Yes. Public Affairs at that time was a little bit broader than just documentaries. It had to do with programs that were essentially talk programs on radio. And non- entertainment programs were pretty much in his area, except for sports. But perhaps Ed even had sports at that time, I don't recall.

And who did he answer to in terms of his job? To you -- directly?

To Paley and me. He was very close to Bill during the war years because they were both in London at the same time. And if Ed were here, I think he would say he reported to Paley more than he reported to me.

Murrow didn't report. Murrow was pretty much a law unto himself. This created problems.