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Ed did?

Yes.

Yes.

Right. A year or two, something like that?

What?

He was only Vice President of the News and Public Affairs for a year or two, something like that?

Yes, and then he went back on the air again as a broadcaster again for Campbell's soup.

Campbell's.

Seven-forty-five through eight o'clock on Monday through Friday.

Ed was never happy as an executive. He had no use for the paperwork and budgets and things of that kind and those are essentials when it comes to managing a far-flung organization with an enormous budget.

But Ward Wheelock -- W.H.E.E.L.O.C.K. -- was an advertising agency man in Philadelphia.