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So what was your response, your response as a news executive, as a corporation executive, to what Murrow did with McCarthy?

Totally supportive. Would I have done it again? I would have done it earlier. I think we were at the tail end of the parade rather than at the head end of the parade. But Ed and Fred both felt that they had to have the strongest possible case for what they did. Have you ever seen the broadcast?

No, I haven't.

You ought to see it. In today's world, it's nothing. In the days that it was broadcast it was dynamite.

I've seen footage of McCarthy but I haven't seen that particular show.

Well, just as a student of a generation way before you, I think it would be worth the half hour of your time to look at it. It's --

Oh, very much so. Very much so.

But I say by today's standards of broadcasting it was milk toast by comparison because broadcasting has become more bold and television has opened up a lot of procedures in the way of presenting material that were new or that hadn't been around at the time Ed and Fred did the McCarthy broadcast.