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and decided he was pretty good and we got both of them, we had the nucleus for a little seminar group that might get together at the Center.

What were some of the key areas of specialization in the first five years, say?

Well, there were things having to do with legal justice, computers were just coming on the scene, the application of computers to the social sciences. There are others but they don't come to me now. Milton Friedman, for example, was one of the early fellows.

Wow.

So that'll give you some clue as to the quality of the people we had on -- You go through the list of the two or three years of the Center -- this is true for any year -- but you go through those early years and look at the outstanding people in the social sciences today, and they were all at the Center.

Well, [Derek] Bok, retiring as president of Harvard this year, is going to spend his first year in retirement at the Center. So that'll give you some idea of the kind of people that come to the Center.

And that's a tribute to Ralph Tyler and to Meredith Wilson who succeeded him, and to [Howard] Gardner from Harvard who succeeded Meredith Wilson. These were giants in the social sciences who devoted their retirement period, or their later years in academic life, to being the director of the Center.