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It was -- it is, not was -- it is one, I think, outstanding accomplishment.

Were papers ever produced during the year that someone was there that were published under the name of the Center? How did the Center become known other than through the university network?

That's the only way.

That was the way.

Sure.

Just a terrific --

Well, we held -- I shouldn't say we -- the Center held seminars or conferences and things of that kind on the site. For example, when, years later I was appointed by the National Academy of Science to serve as a reviewer, I guess, along with a group of medics of the biomedical sciences in the Veterans Administration, we brought together the review board that I served on and some of the medics from the West Coast from the veterans hospitals to a two-day conference. We used the Center as a locus for that. It didn't involve any of the fellows.

Right.

We just used the premises.