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we didn't want what was on the air. We saw it. We want what wasn't on the air.” And that was denied -- considered out of hand. And of course I was told that that was the attitude that the Congressional Committee was taking -- that they had a right to see everything.

Do you recall who made the call from the Hill? Who were you in contact with, or who was calling from Congress, from what committee?

I would guess -- Well, it was Armed Services at one point and then the Commerce Committee ultimately, because under the Commerce Committee there was a subcommittee on Communications, which had direct jurisdiction over the FCC.

Right.

So that was where the thing started. I mean, it started with Armed Services. Pentagon couldn't get it. The Pentagon appealed to Congress. The Congress couldn't get it. And then they went to the Commerce Committee which was getting close to the nerve of the FCC and our regulation, and this only me take a stronger position.

I guess I didn't take a stronger position. I was more determined with the position we had held, which was we wouldn't give them anything that we didn't put on the air.

They wanted notes, memoranda, they had a long laundry list of everything they wanted. And, at some point along the way, two uniformed security officers from Congress, with sidearms, came to my office to deliver a subpoena, which was a ludicrous experience because