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to jail, but I'm sure there were people on his staff who would have been delighted if I had been thrown in the clinker. But the attack was not only against me as an individual as the president of the company, but the company itself was cited. So that there were two of us in the stew.

Had wonderful support for our point of view from the print press way beyond anything we'd ever had before, when it finally dawned on them that if our end of the boat went down --

Theirs would too --

Theirs might ultimately go down even though Congress would never have done to an editorial writer what Congress was wanting to do to me.

No. It's striking.

But the Constitution, the First Amendment, was a lot clearer about print because radio and television hadn't existed when the First Amendment was written. So that by extension I was trying to crawl in to the tent of the First Amendment as it applied to print --

And that would be the rationale you were using when you were speaking? Are those speeches available?

Are the what?

The testimony that you gave before these committees.