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There have been some individual local journalist problems having to do with giving up names and things of that kind. And for the people who went to jail it was as bad, or worse, than what I had to go through. But this was a full dress rehearsal right in Macy's window as far as the First Amendment was concerned. Cutler was magnificent as my attorney. And as I say, my direct statements were probably okay. But some of my cross-examination, as I re- read it, I wished I hadn't said what I said. I think at one time I said whether -- they tried to get me to comment on what I thought of the broadcast -- and in essence, what I ended up saying was what I thought about it didn't have anything to do with the First Amendment because the First Amendment meant that you could be wrong as well as be right. What they were trying to get me to say was that if I had done it, I would have done it differently. And I think I said something to the effect of, sure, there were parts of the broadcast I didn't like. And I shouldn't have said anything like that, because whether I liked it or not had nothing to do with what I was fighting about. And I made that clear. But I wished I hadn't even gone that far. And I know I infuriated Staggers at one point when I said, “Look, if I were here as a publisher of a newspaper, you wouldn't be treating me this way.” And this was really sticking my finger right in his eye.

Really.

But I lost a lot of friends in that fight.

Really? Friends in the industry?

I think one of the chairmen of the subcommittee -- a man from Illinois that I