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thought I knew on a pretty good friendly basis, I don't think ever spoke to me again. He was so bitter about the position I took. He voted against me. The Governor of Tennessee who was a House member, after he was governor of course, I had known and I thought I had his support and he voted against me. I lost -- there were close votes in the Committee. And then, of course, when it finally was voted on for the House, the fact that I had some support from strong people -- I think Manny Cellar, who was the dean of the House, the oldest member, and that he came, he stood up for me on the First Amendment and so forth.

But that was a sweet victory.

Fascinating story. I'm glad we got it on tape. We mentioned it before.

There are other accounts of this that are much better than what I've just given you, but --

Well, you're the central character so I think it's important that we have your account.

I certainly remember it very clearly.

Fascinating. Now, what time do you need to stop?

I think if we could cut it here. I'd like to.

Okay. Thank you.