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them some sense that the leadership -- at least in title -- of the company cared enough to spend a day with them to go over the figures and get to know them. Because I remembered that when I was dumped into the job, I had never had any working relationship with him. But he absolutely wouldn't come to the meeting. I couldn't persuade him to come. Even when I said that this might be fifty million dollars. “Oh no, nothing like that.” As it turned out, we were in the red to the tune of about fifty-three million dollars before we even got a nickel. He just wasn't interested in that side of the business. Now, if it had been the same thing on radio, he would have been there. Although there wasn't any reason to have it on radio. That was running and everything was O.K. Maybe if there had been some new plan for news, he would have come. But I'm not sure that he would.

He did interest himself the time we were going to embark on a editorial policy for the company of having network editorials. He did give attention to that in part, I believe, because Ed Murrow was tugging at his elbow. Ed was very close to him, much closer that I ever was. Ed was closer to him on the female social side, having lived together during the war years in London. Ed had entree into not only the social side of London but to the government side of London. Paley was there as a colonel in the military. Ed took him into all kinds of special meetings. There was a very close relationship.

In fact, as a documentation on that point -- and it created some confusion in my own mind. When Bill and Babe were married out at Kiluna, Bill asked me if I would let him have a camera that I had. It was either a movie camera or a still camera, I've forgotten. He wanted to make sure he had some pictures of the gathering and so forth. I did that. I knew the wedding was imminent, but I didn't know where it was going to be held. I did find out that it was going to be in Kiluna. Then he did say to me that because he didn't know where to draw