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apartment. I went into his apartment. It was very dark and dingy. The little study that he had was almost a replica of his office in terms of the darkness. He sat there and said to me, “Don't let Bill do to you what he did to me.” I didn't have to ask what it was. He went on to tell me that he was totally cut out of his personal life. I think the expression that he used was, “I never crossed his threshold. Don't let that happened to you.”

I didn't say anything about my own philosophy about that. That didn't bother me because if you're going to work your tail off in the office, unless it's a very special relationship, I'd like a little air space to have another life. I still had friends in the academic and research world. I certainly had friends in the world of architecture that wouldn't have understood Bill, and he wouldn't have understood them. There were reasons that I lived here, and he lived there. I guess we made it work reasonably well.

I think that with Chick [Charles T.] Ireland, who was the second or the third in line as his successor, he made an effort to get close to Chick. But Chick knew something going in that kept him from wanting to get close to Paley. This is really a diversion, but I'll throw it in. When I had announced publicly two years before I retired that I was going to observe Rule Sixty-five, which I had instituted, I felt I had to impose it on many older men who worked for me, who had no idea there was an age cutoff. It was not an easy thing for a younger man to say to people twelve to fourteen years older, “I want you to go at age sixty-five.” There was never any doubt in my mind that when that number came up, I would go. Paley had approached me when he was sixty-three or maybe sixty-four. One Saturday afternoon we were both in the office. We were both in to see something. It was just about this time of the year. It was the time of the World Series. NBC was covering both the World Series and football. They had the problem of splitting their coverage. They ran a picture in the corner of