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got a medium like television. Why the Congress was so stubborn, I don't know. John Pastore said it all when he said he didn't want some Harvard Law School guy coming down and debating him. I think we're beyond that stage now, and the reason I think this has been a better use of television is that it opened it up, you got it on talk shows, you got it on cable. It wasn't as well done as it should have been, but I just have faith in the learning process that we'll learn how to use it, and it will be a very important tool. I don't see anything else on the horizon that will do to politics in the future what television did in the '50s. It was the second Guttenberg revolution, in many ways. All you had to do was hold on. You didn't have to be a genius to take advantage of it, it was just pulling everything with it.

I can't resist asking you, on November 4th, 1992, that when you first had the idea for the debates, if you envisioned the style of debating that has emerged; if you envisioned the debates happening in the way that they have.

Well, I told you about Bobby [Robert F.] Kennedy in the control room, didn't I? Calling to Jack, on the floor of the debate, the first debate?

Yes, yes.

“Never mind the --”

No, I'm not sure you did tell me that. You'd better tell me that.

Oh, well. The first debate was held in our studio, by the luck of the draw (and