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McNamara. From that point forward I thought, gee, I should keep in mind that anything I say might be overheard. So, I just lived that way, and I told my wife in any conversation she had with me from the house to the office to always bear in mind that somebody might be recording or listening to the conversation. It annoyed her to think that might be going on. There wasn't anything she was saying that would be of any comfort to anybody but, nevertheless, she just was a little annoyed that there was no such thing as privacy. So, whether there was any real foundation for it or not I don't know, but I know that Arthur Taylor, when he followed me, was persuaded that his lines were tapped at CBS. I don't know whether mine were or not.

What is the particular story with Arthur Taylor, when he followed you?

He simply was persuaded by some incident that took place shortly after he joined CBS that he was being watched. I think there was just a hint in the way he put the thing to me that he thought maybe this was something that was being done by CBS, and I assured him that no one was authorized and no one, to the best of my knowledge, was playing that kind of a game. There were times when I thought my phone was tapped, oh, during a labor negotiation, and the labor negotiation had to do with technicians, so they had every opportunity to tap my lines, in a variety of ways. One way I know that conversations in my office were being overheard by the engineers was in connection with a labor negotiation. We were having a meeting in my office, and by the time some of the people got back to their desks the labor people were already calling to comment on what we had been talking about. The conclusion that was reached was that I had a loudspeaker on my wall that I used to monitor or listen to programs (this was in the radio days), and I learned from one of the engineers that it was very easy to reverse that process and use the loudspeaker as a