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White and Ed Klauber and Paley were able to move people around I think Murrow went from -- I've forgotten now the sequence -- One was in Berlin, one was in Vienna and one was in London. And they moved around. And while they couldn't report from Vienna, Shirer came to London and reported from London. And Murrow went to Vienna and came back and reported from Vienna. That was like in a sense a little bit like CNN in Baghdad.

Right. I was just thinking about that.

It was that same kind of thing. From that point forward, and as we got into war, “The World News Roundup” became part of the day's news. NBC did the same thing. And we did an eight o'clock “World New Roundup” in the morning. We did one in the evening. And we did whenever there were breaking stories -- we would do it. So news came into the schedule in the early thirties, bloomed or blossomed, whatever you want to call it with World War II and, as far as radio is concerned never changed. Well, I mean, it's changed but it established itself at that time. Television followed on but television was more difficult. You had to have a Fifth Avenue bus to haul the equipment around. Cameras were awkward. You had to have soundmen, you had to have cameramen, you had to have lighting people. You know, with radio you could have a microphone, not as small as this or as small as what we've got on, but you could have a very small mike, and a battery pack not much bigger than that recorder, and you were in business. The correspondent could hold the microphone to you and get your -- well, not in the beginning, because we didn't have tape -- but once we got tape the correspondent was his own crew. That had some union problems attached to it but forget that. The correspondent was in control. Television, I can ask you the question -- Or in the early days of television there had to be a cameraman back here, a sound man up there, the correspondent had to be photographed after the interview so as you could cut those interview