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Lynd had proposed his name -- and I hope I'm right about Lynd having proposed his name, but I think it was Lynd -- at any rate, around that time Cantril made it a point to read some of Lazarsfeld's work.

And what kind of work of his were you reading at the time?

Well, he was quite active in the labor movement in Vienna and was a disciple of -- now I can't think of her name -- a very important psychologist, or psychoanalyst, I guess, would be proper, in Vienna. I've forgotten her name. But Paul had been doing some work in measuring attitudes and so forth of people involved in the labor movement in Austria. And then I believe he was pretty far over on the liberal side in Austrian politics.

We sent Paul a copy of the proposal we had made to the Rockefeller Foundation, and asked him if he would be interested in coming over to visit with us about heading a project. We laid it all out. Paul came back very promptly and said yes, he would, and in that summer -- and I fixed it at the summertime of '36 or '37 -- there arrived this hulking, cigar-smoking, heavy Viennese-accented male, who looked upon Cantril and Stanton as little boys who didn't quite understand what was going on in the world.

He looked at the document we had given him and said that he would like to change it.

Would you like to get some --