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I believe in a luncheon that we had at the New Weston Hotel -- I recall, I believe it was a Saturday -- that he told us that he would be interested in taking on the study, but not on our terms. It wasn't a matter of money, it was he wanted to rewrite the proposal. And I think he referred to ours as the Old Testament and he was going to write the New Testament. And we said fine. We were by this time captivated by his personality and his ideas. He was a stimulating person. I couldn't stand his cigars but I certainly enjoyed his company.

Well, he went back to Vienna and came back and set up shop in Princeton. He was to be -- because the grant had to be made to an academic institution Princeton was the recipient, although I don't think Harold [W.] Dodds, who was then president of Princeton, was very happy about it. I had the impression in one meeting I had with him that he didn't know of radio's existence, and he was still not on speaking terms with the telephone. It was a very negative kind of acceptance of the Rockefeller grant.

How did the Rockefeller Foundation feel about Lazarsfeld? Did he have to be approved or was it --

John Marshall didn't give us any problems as long as Cantril and I agreed to continue as associate directors. So we said we'd keep Lazarsfeld in tow, so to speak. Paul did not hit it off in Princeton. He was head and shoulders above many of the people there but because of his Jewishness, his Viennese accent, his behavior patterns generally just didn't