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mix with the white Anglo-Saxon community. Paul started a number of studies -- one he was interested in the role of radio in elections; he was interested in radio from a standpoint of the influence that radio had on the popularity of certain popular myths -- A lot of things that deserved attention. But he had his own agenda and as long as he didn't get into trouble, so to speak, Cantril and I went along with him. We didn't have that much of an input in Paul's life of research because Paul had his own ideas and was an energetic person, and had a lot of his Viennese friends at various places in this country that he wanted to bring into the project, or give small assignments to. And so he went merrily on his way, meanwhile not endearing himself to the academic community at Princeton.

I went back and forth to Princeton, I think, once a week, on I believe Thursday afternoon, not important. But we held -- Cantril, and Lazarsfeld and I conducted seminars for Princeton. They were pretty much Paul's seminars but these were devoted to questions of methodology. One has got to remember at this time that polling and market research were all very nebulous concepts and there wasn't a lot going on in the academic world in this kind of measurement of human behavior. So we had these seminars. I think I went down -- they were late afternoons because as I recall -- I took a train and got down there about four o'clock in the afternoon. I didn't drive because it was too uncertain whether I could make the connection, or whether I could get there at the proper time, and it was not easy for me to do it because my workload at CBS was severe, and I wasn't calling my own timetable at CBS.

It was clear that Paul was unhappy with Princeton as well as Princeton unhappy with him, and he was reaching out to find some other host organization, and, at that point, made some kind of an academic connection with the University of Newark. There was a sociologist there by the name of [] Gaudet -- a male, another person, [Hazel] Gaudet, the wife of the male,