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time I had introduced Paul to Roper, and Elmo had enjoyed Paul's company. They both smoked cigars, they both liked to drink, they were both very stimulating individuals and they got along very well. Paul helped Roper, and whether Roper brought Paul into the OWI picture or whether I did, I don't know. But he did some -- he was involved in that.

What exactly were you doing at OWI? Could you give me --

Oh, everybody wanted to know what the public felt about this and about this. When we introduced synthetic rubber, there was a lot of resistance on the part of the consumers to it. When price controls went into effect, there was a big reaction on the part of the public. The White House wanted to know what the public thought and they leaned on OWI to get the information, although OWI was really offshore in its mission. Nobody really paid that much attention to it. If Roosevelt wanted to know why, Elmer [H.] Davis and the Office of War Information were pressed into getting the information. We did work for the Army on the morale of the troops. We did surveys in the field about when the troops could come home, all kinds of --

OWI had an intelligence report that was issued once a week. And we supplied a lot of the public opinion material for that, based on studies that we did of our own. We were making studies on everything. And the man who headed that inside OWI was a man by the name of Elmer Wilson. He was known as Bud Wilson. He, some way, some place, had done some field work, I think, for Roper, and was in the School of Journalism at the University of Minnesota. That's where I first met Bud Wilson and --