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Bob Merton is still separated but living with, and has been for many years, with a very attractive academician in Sociology. It was a crazy world.

Sounds very intense sexually as well as intellectually?

What?

Sounds very intense sexually as well as intellectually.

Oh, yes. Yes.

Paul would have moved into my life a hundred percent, I think if I had -- and I would have not been unhappy about it except I had another life and that was it. I wasn't about to give up my wife because he didn't think I should be married to her but -- Every time I -- he met me occasionally, we would see each other in restaurants, and if I had a woman, a business associate with me, Paul would call me immediately: “Why don't you pursue that?” You know. It was crazy.

Would you say that your association with him, in the beginning, was more of a colleagues' association, or was he like a mentor to you in some way?

No, never. I think we each respected each other. But he turned to me for as many things, I think, as I turned to him for. He treated Had and me as little boys when he first came over. I don't know how he treated Had -- how that -- well, I guess he still treated him