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In the early days of the Ed Sullivan Show, when Ed had talent, black talent, and
after a song or an act he would put his arm around the talent, I could count on affiliates
calling me and saying, We're not going to carry this program anymore because this is
fostering a kind of camaraderie that is more than we can take and frequently was labelled as
So, sure, we're gonna -- I'm not going to have to live with it, but somebody's going to have to
live with it.
To go back to it again, briefly, what was Paley's role during this period? Was he
supportive of the loyalty oath and --
Oh, yeah. Sure.
-- and the clearing activities?
He was supportive and certainly never said, Don't do it. I don't know what he
would have done if he'd been running the thing. But he was above it, in a sense, and that
was my baby to worry about. But, on the other hand, he didn't say, Let's not do it. I wish he
But it went through the record business, it went through Hollywood, it went through every
place. That's no excuse for why we did it but I mean we weren't alone.
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