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No. Fifteen minutes.

Fifteen-minute broadcasts.

And some ten minutes. And the World News Roundup was fifteen minutes, but with parts coming from all over the world.

And how was it organized? Did you have a president of news? Who was the --

No. In the early days there was a department and there was the head of the News Department. I think he ultimately had the title of News Director. But in the very early days, I think he was designated as Head of the Department.

And I believe we were the first to organize our News Department as a division of the company, with its own president. And, in fact, I know that we were the first to do it. That came about in part because I felt the company was too large for one person to manage effectively, and that I had to push the leadership and responsibilities deeper into the organization, even though I thought I had established that in the way we were working. It seemed to me it would be clearer to the people inside the organization and certainly clearer to people on the outside if I gave the officer or the individual who headed that area of the company the title of president. We were kidded a lot about it, but it's become pretty much the order of the day in broadcasting and now in many businesses they have a president of this division and a president of that division. Titles are cheap but I did it because there