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wasn't any way that I could have all that stuff coming to my desk and I was Lucky Pierre, I was there. And I was wanting to get the thing organized in a more decentralized form, and make the individuals responsible for their departments or their organizations, not only in terms of day to day operational management but to make them responsible for their budgets and their income.

What was the income of the News Department? How did you support news programming?

That came out of the corporate -- the part that they didn't support by their income from the sale of time, that was made up in the budget planning. The corporation made up the difference. But that was a deficit operation. It is not today, to the best of my knowledge, but it certainly was for a long long time.

In 1958, I believe, or '59 there was a re-organization of -- was it news broadcasts under “CBS Reports,” or was that a special news analysis show?

This was when Murrow took his sabbatical?

Yes. I think so.

No. My recollection is he did that in '60, or maybe it was '59.

Well, after “See it Now”--