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And how do you spell his last name?

Yntema? Ted was his first name, that's easy. Y.N.T.E.M.A.

Thank you.

Bob [Robert R.] Sears, a psychologist from Stanford; Ed [Edwin E. Jr.] Huddleson, a lawyer from San Francisco. Excuse me.

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Okay.

Alan Waterman was on the board. He was the head, I believe, of oil research in the Navy, a physicist -- first class person, great human being. Alan served longer than I did on that board. Clark Kerr who was chancellor -- or later became chancellor at Berkeley. It was a good board, a distinguished board.

The Ford Foundation had proposed the make-up of the board? Or did you do it?

Berelson and others had been picking and choosing. And we had to solidify it by having the group get together and see whether we could get going. I think there were a few others that we added that I invited on the board and so forth. But it's a matter of record. I don't -- I'm doing pretty well for -- what was that? That was damn nearly forty years ago.