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Yes.

And then because I didn't want to take time away from CBS in the business week, I had to do a lot of this on weekends. So once we got going, I guess I made trips to the West Coast frequently. But I'm ahead of myself.

The first thing I did was to try to get a full-time director to get the monkey off of my back and into the hands of competent leadership. [James B.] Conant who was then president of Harvard left to become High Commissioner, I guess, in our program with Germany. But he left Harvard just at the time this was being put together. And I tried to persuade Paul Buck to leave Harvard and become the director of the Center. I didn't succeed and Harvard didn't succeed in enticing him to become president. Paul became, I think, head of the library at Harvard, a very distinguished professorship. He was a historian of the first order. And Paul would have been an ideal director of the Center but I just couldn't persuade him.

At some point in that period I was encouraged by others on the board to think of Ralph [W.] Tyler who was one of, I guess, three brothers who were quite active in academic circles. There was Keith Tyler at Ohio State, Tracy [F.] Tyler, I believe, at the University of Minnesota, and Ralph, who was in fact dean of the graduate school, I guess, at Chicago. (And Berelson, I believe, was dean of the Library School, which is a very important school at the University of Chicago. I was confusing those titles a moment ago.) We persuaded Ralph Tyler to take the job of director and after he was thoroughly acquainted with what we hoped the Center would do, he set about trying to identify prospective fellows, because it isn't easy to pull somebody out of an academic post for a year. But we didn't want the ones that were easy to take. We wanted the ones that were difficult to take. So we were looking for the