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a desk lamp that threw a shadow of light all over the desk and some upright into his face, but not very much. And I sat there and I wasn't sure with whom he was speaking but it was somebody in the family, and one of the things I remembered him saying was, “Boy, we sure took this one.” So he knew that he had been very successful in that first debate. When it was over, when his phone conversation was over, he wheeled and he said, “Well, you know Dick Daley.” And unbeknownst to me, Daley was standing in the office in the shadows, and of course came forward and said hello. And I did know Dick Daley. And the three of us sat there and talked a little while.

What did you talk about?

What?

What did you talk about?

The debate.

Yes.

-- and how he felt about it and so forth.

Then Daley walked out with me and we walked down the hall together and he said, “What do you think of that young man?”

And I said I thought he had done a fantastic job in that particular debate.